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and there are a big cadre of naysayers at langley who say, "don't do this." >> now pakistan,. you paint a picture of the interservices intelligence directorate that as i can tell is very true to life in this particular sense -- they have lots of connections with all these militant groups. they've always had them. at some level, they don't even deny that they have them. they say these are elements of pakistani society. and yet, they are quite reluctant to do anything about them, to shut them off in any way. do you think that that part of the book that you described is true to life? >> yes. i think the tragedy of the isi and arguably of pakistan as a whole is that it's caught in a web that it's spun with our help it must be said that it now can't escape from. it's a web first of connections with jihadi organizations. the isi is above all a paramilitary organization. it doesn't do all that much, collection of intelligence. it's not a very good spy agency. but it's good at running covert action. >> the general framework of the book is that the cia and isi are cooperating, but the
and there are a big cadre of naysayers at langley who say, "don't do this." >> now pakistan,. you paint a picture of the interservices intelligence directorate that as i can tell is very true to life in this particular sense -- they have lots of connections with all these militant groups. they've always had them. at some level, they don't even deny that they have them. they say these are elements of pakistani society. and yet, they are quite reluctant to do anything about them,...
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i think the tragedy of the isi and arguably of pakistan as a whole is that it's caught in a web that it's spun, with our help it must be said. that it now can't escape from. it's a web first of connections with jihadi organizations. the isi is above all a paramilitary organization. it doesn't do all that much, collection of intelligence. it's not a very good spy agency. but it's good at running covert action. >> the general framework of the book is that the cia and isi are cooperating, but the cia is running effectively code ops against the isi. and the isi is at least allowing these jihadi groups to attack and infiltrate the cia. and that spider's web seems very real. >> that is -- that is drawn from life. i mean, the truth is that these intelligence services operate against each other. that happens more in real life, not just with pakistan, but we have a complicated intelligence relationship with france. we have a complicated intelligence with other allies. but there's a way in which the cia and isi both absolutely need each other. and absolutely don't trust each other. it's been a
i think the tragedy of the isi and arguably of pakistan as a whole is that it's caught in a web that it's spun, with our help it must be said. that it now can't escape from. it's a web first of connections with jihadi organizations. the isi is above all a paramilitary organization. it doesn't do all that much, collection of intelligence. it's not a very good spy agency. but it's good at running covert action. >> the general framework of the book is that the cia and isi are cooperating,...
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>> pakistan is a friendly country. we've had friendly relations with pakistan for many, many years. >> pakistan is an important friend and ally for the united states. >> the united states does indeed consider pakistan a strategic partner and a good friend. >> clearly, pakistan is clearly a very strong ally of the united states in this. >> we're also hoping because pakistan is a partner. >> pakistan has received $13 billion in military aid since the 9/11 attacks. but despite those diplomatic words, over the years the relationship has always been tense. it got worse after u.s. navy seals tracked down bin laden and tonight threatens to worsen even more. the news broke late last night, "new york times" reporting that the pakistani army rounded up cia informants, who helped the cia by writing down the license plates of cars coming and going from bin laden's compound which by the way was just down the road from pakistan's military academy. we've since learned -- the people have been arrested. the informants are very low-leve
>> pakistan is a friendly country. we've had friendly relations with pakistan for many, many years. >> pakistan is an important friend and ally for the united states. >> the united states does indeed consider pakistan a strategic partner and a good friend. >> clearly, pakistan is clearly a very strong ally of the united states in this. >> we're also hoping because pakistan is a partner. >> pakistan has received $13 billion in military aid since the 9/11...
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pakistan. we got bin laden. but now pakistan's intelligence service is rounding up the people who helped us get him. i'll ask a former cia officer, is this revenge? >>> and america under siege. a new wave of cyber attacks threatens to crash our systems, from power grids to banks to national defense. edie hill asks an expert, is this our next pearl harbor? >>> then, are we at war in libya? a group of congressmen say of course. president obama says no. so now they're going to court. now, for more on our top story, what's keeping the u.s. economy from turning around? jobs, jobs, jobs. we all know that. almost 25 million americans are unemployed or underemployed. all say that number again. almost 25 million americans either not working or forced to work part time. my guest tonight knows a whole lot about jobs and the american economy as vice chairman of general motors, bob lutz has been at the top of the auto industry. in fact, he helped turned the industry around. he talks about that in his new book "car guys versu
pakistan. we got bin laden. but now pakistan's intelligence service is rounding up the people who helped us get him. i'll ask a former cia officer, is this revenge? >>> and america under siege. a new wave of cyber attacks threatens to crash our systems, from power grids to banks to national defense. edie hill asks an expert, is this our next pearl harbor? >>> then, are we at war in libya? a group of congressmen say of course. president obama says no. so now they're going to...
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and pakistan. but number two, it showed this was a bigger gamble. >> reporter: that april morning in alabama, surrounded by the wreckage of mother nature, president obama hides any sign of worry. >> he really kept a pretty good game face on to not let the publ public know at all there was something cooking behind the scenes. >> reporter: the ghosts of torabora will haunt the mission to get bin laden. only superpages.com®. for local maps, deals and more, go to superpages.com®. and let the good guys save the day. we devote every second of every day figuring out how to give our clients a better mortgage. maybe that's why j.d. power and associates ranked us "highest in customer satisfaction in the united states." so, we thought we'd take a little time to celebrate. ♪ all right, then, back to work helping clients. individual attention from our highly-trained mortgage professionals. one more way quicken loans is engineered to amaze. >> reporter: it was ten years ago that osama bin laden became americ
and pakistan. but number two, it showed this was a bigger gamble. >> reporter: that april morning in alabama, surrounded by the wreckage of mother nature, president obama hides any sign of worry. >> he really kept a pretty good game face on to not let the publ public know at all there was something cooking behind the scenes. >> reporter: the ghosts of torabora will haunt the mission to get bin laden. only superpages.com®. for local maps, deals and more, go to...
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levinson that he could be in pakistan or afghanistan, not necessarily in iran now. the clock is ticking. >>> if congress doesn't reach a >> again from sources that we have here at cnn, it appears from where some of this communication has come from with mr. levinson that he could be in pakistan or afghanistan, not necessarily in iran now. the clock is ticking. >>> if congress doesn't reach a deal in 22 days, americans lose money from their paychecks. but the republicans have a new plan. they on "outfront" next. >>> and we're hours away from what could be mass protests in moscow. an unbelievable demonstration due to elections. america should be very concerned about the fate of vladimir putin. he has 18,000 nuclear warheads at his disposal at this moment. >>> the latest developments in the case of florida's missing mom. michelle parker vanished on november 17th. are we closer to finding her? ch probiotic cap a day helps defends against occasional constipation, diarrhea, gas and bloating. with three strains of good bacteria to help balance your colon. you had me at "pro
levinson that he could be in pakistan or afghanistan, not necessarily in iran now. the clock is ticking. >>> if congress doesn't reach a >> again from sources that we have here at cnn, it appears from where some of this communication has come from with mr. levinson that he could be in pakistan or afghanistan, not necessarily in iran now. the clock is ticking. >>> if congress doesn't reach a deal in 22 days, americans lose money from their paychecks. but the republicans...
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and pakistan. but number two, it showed this was a bigger gamble. >> reporter: that april morning in alabama, surrounded by the wreckage of mother nature, president obama hides any sign of worry. >> he really kept a pretty good game face on to not let the public know at all there was something cooking behind the scenes. >> reporter: a high risk ambulance is now in motion. the ghosts of tora bora will haunt the mission to get bin laden. web browsing on the new blackberry playbook? ♪ flash, aah-ah that's right. it runs flash. so unlike some tablets we could mention, you get the best of the internet - not just part of it. ♪ flash, aah-ah ♪ flash, aah-ah i always keep it in the house. that and boston crème pie, white chocolate strawberries. [ female announcer ] yoplait light -- over 30 delicious flavors at about 100 calories. babe, what are you doing?! ♪ we get double miles on every purchase, so me and my lads earned a trip to san francisco twice as fast! we get double miles every time we use
and pakistan. but number two, it showed this was a bigger gamble. >> reporter: that april morning in alabama, surrounded by the wreckage of mother nature, president obama hides any sign of worry. >> he really kept a pretty good game face on to not let the public know at all there was something cooking behind the scenes. >> reporter: a high risk ambulance is now in motion. the ghosts of tora bora will haunt the mission to get bin laden. web browsing on the new blackberry...
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and pakistan. and let's be honest, while we can be outraged by duplicity or come police tee on the part of their government, we can't afford to walk away from them. we need them in afghanistan. we can't afford -- the notion of walking away given the fact it is a nuclear country, we can't afford to risk nuclear weapons falling into the hands of the taliban. >> is it fair to say it is a transaction relationship more than strategic partnership? >> that's how it looked in the last couple weeks. she delayed the trip last week. during the course of that delay, it was when pakistan agreed to let the cia go on to the osama bin laden compound, and also gave access to the wives. so there is this going on. it is fair to have pakistan in half in than all the way out. >> what is your sense of your sources, still sources in the government, about secretary clinton says we have no evidence anyone in the government or high in the military was harboring bin laden, knew he was there. what is the sense of trust in the
and pakistan. and let's be honest, while we can be outraged by duplicity or come police tee on the part of their government, we can't afford to walk away from them. we need them in afghanistan. we can't afford -- the notion of walking away given the fact it is a nuclear country, we can't afford to risk nuclear weapons falling into the hands of the taliban. >> is it fair to say it is a transaction relationship more than strategic partnership? >> that's how it looked in the last...
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/pakistan relationships. is this a political statement, sort of a pushback, or is there a chance that this would actually go further to a break in relations? >> yeah, i think it's definitely a political statement. these are some tough words in this resolution, and i think the obama administration was eager for this pakistani government to take this bin laden episode, the fact that he was hiding here for all these years and acknowledge that they have a problem and perhaps go in a new direction, perhaps draft a new policy on extremism. but when you see tough rhetoric like this, this type of pointed resolution targeting the u.s., condemning what they call a violation of sovereignsy with this raid on the bin laden compound, it shows, it signals that they're now prepared to go in a new direction. at the same time, despite the tough talk from pakistan, there is no indication that this partnership with washington is going to fall apart. i think both sides know that they desperately need one another, so indications a
/pakistan relationships. is this a political statement, sort of a pushback, or is there a chance that this would actually go further to a break in relations? >> yeah, i think it's definitely a political statement. these are some tough words in this resolution, and i think the obama administration was eager for this pakistani government to take this bin laden episode, the fact that he was hiding here for all these years and acknowledge that they have a problem and perhaps go in a new...
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. >> reporter: it's location, just over a mile from pakistan's premier military academy, north of islamabad. the compound was discovered after tracking down bin laden's trusted courier. >> one of my sources said to me, you know, one of the reason ares it was so interesting to us is we knew bin laden was in the construction business, and this was well constructed. >> reporter: more clues begin to emerge from behind the 18-foot high walls. >> what they began to notice is the occupants burned their trash. they couldn't determine there was any internet access or telephone in this compound. >> there was a lack of things they did that was interesting. for a family that lived there for several years who never went to the movies or grocery shopping. >> reporter: to build a better case, cia director leon panetta looks for any guarantee bin laden is inside. >> problem was, we were never really certain whether or not bin laden was there. we noticed an sprij who was pacing in the courtyard had some of the appearances of it but we were never able to verify that, in fact, it was him. >> this was a circum
. >> reporter: it's location, just over a mile from pakistan's premier military academy, north of islamabad. the compound was discovered after tracking down bin laden's trusted courier. >> one of my sources said to me, you know, one of the reason ares it was so interesting to us is we knew bin laden was in the construction business, and this was well constructed. >> reporter: more clues begin to emerge from behind the 18-foot high walls. >> what they began to notice is...
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also helping because pakistan is because our partner. >> well, pakistan has received $13 billion in military aid since the 9/11 attacks. but despite those diplomatic words, over the years the relationship has always been tense. it got worse after u.s. navy seals tracked down bin laden and tonight threatens to worsen even more. the news broke last night, "new york times" recording that pakistani authorities rounded up five cia informants, people who reportedly helped the cia by writing down the license plates of cars coming and going from bin laden's compound which by the way was just down the road from pakistan's military academy. we've since learned there are low-level sources -- the informants are very low-level sources and there's little the u.s. government can do to help them. but their arrest is telling. instead of hunting down anyone who might have helped him live there comfortably, helped the people who helped bin laden for years, pakistan seems to be hunting down the people who helped america find him. as far as taking a hard look at whether bin laden had a pakistani support
also helping because pakistan is because our partner. >> well, pakistan has received $13 billion in military aid since the 9/11 attacks. but despite those diplomatic words, over the years the relationship has always been tense. it got worse after u.s. navy seals tracked down bin laden and tonight threatens to worsen even more. the news broke last night, "new york times" recording that pakistani authorities rounded up five cia informants, people who reportedly helped the cia by...
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pakistan. i think that will be true of any western european country and -- >> do you think anybody at high level in pakistan would have known that bin laden was there? >> the question in pakistan is you have the army and security services and have you the politicians and business class. you have a very divided political system. until there is unity in pakistan, until people come together, then the attack on terrorism, fight against terrorism, will be infective and this is the real problem we face. afghanistan is soluble. if we had -- stability in pakistan. and -- terrorism in pakistan needs the local government, local people to come together with these -- with nonsectarian politics and with the army and sturtze services working with them to deal with this threat and too much division in pakistan for the fight against terrorism to be effective. >> finally, what do you miss most about being prime minister? >> i can tell you what i don't miss. what you don't miss is -- british newspapers. what you
pakistan. i think that will be true of any western european country and -- >> do you think anybody at high level in pakistan would have known that bin laden was there? >> the question in pakistan is you have the army and security services and have you the politicians and business class. you have a very divided political system. until there is unity in pakistan, until people come together, then the attack on terrorism, fight against terrorism, will be infective and this is the real...
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you were in pakistan last week. what was the government's explanation when you met with our military, when you met with the isi officials, what was their explanation for arresting, detaining five people that helped the united states find bin laden? >> to begin with, they told us that they felt that these individuals were working against their own government. what we -- we were going to acknowledge -- if they were working for us at all. we know why we cannot do that. what we said to them, though, was -- that these were individuals that were attempting to help fight the war against terror. to try to help pakistanis and to help them in fight the war against terror. and my issue was -- what we also communicated to them, why are you looking for people to help bring bin laden to justice? why aren't you looking for people who had knowledge that bin laden, top terrorist in the world, was living in pakistan very close to your capital? the response back to them. >> eric schmidt, that raises a big question here. what's the top
you were in pakistan last week. what was the government's explanation when you met with our military, when you met with the isi officials, what was their explanation for arresting, detaining five people that helped the united states find bin laden? >> to begin with, they told us that they felt that these individuals were working against their own government. what we -- we were going to acknowledge -- if they were working for us at all. we know why we cannot do that. what we said to them,...
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and pakistan. but number two, it showed this was a bigger gamble. >> reporter: that april morning in alabama, surrounded by the wreckage of mother nature, president obama hides any sign of worry. >> he really kept a pretty good game face on to not let the public know at all there was something cooking behind the scenes. >> reporter: a high risk ambulance is now in motion. the ghosts of tora bora will haunt the mission to get bin laden. losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? it's the amino acid metabolite, hmb to help rebuild muscle and strength naturally lost over time. [ female announcer ] ensure muscle health has revigor and protein to help protect, preserve, and promote muscle health. keeps you from getting soft. [ major nutrition ] ensure. nutrition in charge! that's really good! it tastes good, so there can't be fiber in it! it's actually got about half a day's worth of fiber. [
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levinson that he could be in pakistan or afghanistan, not necessarily in iran now. the clock is ticking. >>> if congress doesn't reach a deal in 22 days, americans lose money from their paychecks. but the republicans have a new plan. they on "outfront" next. >>> and we're hours away from what could be mass protests in moscow. an unbelievable demonstration due to elections. america should be very concerned about the fate of vladimir putin. he has 18,000 nuclear warheads at his disposal at this moment. >>> the latest developments in the case of florida's missing mom. michelle parker vanished on november 17th. are we closer to finding her? so, guidance from td ameritrade isn't about their priorities. it's about mine. straightforward guidance. that's what makes td ameritrade different. ♪ [ male announcer ] trade commission-free for 60 days. plus get up to $600 when you open an account. ♪ but the fire is so delightful ♪ nothing melts away the cold like a hot, delicious bowl of chicken noodle soup from campbell's. ♪ let it snow, let it snow [ slap! slap! slap! sla
levinson that he could be in pakistan or afghanistan, not necessarily in iran now. the clock is ticking. >>> if congress doesn't reach a deal in 22 days, americans lose money from their paychecks. but the republicans have a new plan. they on "outfront" next. >>> and we're hours away from what could be mass protests in moscow. an unbelievable demonstration due to elections. america should be very concerned about the fate of vladimir putin. he has 18,000 nuclear...
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that's up to pakistan. but, in solving its problems, pakistan should understand that anti-americanism and conspiracy theorys will not make problems disappear. >> cnn's stan grant is in islamabad. stan, secretary of state clinton's visit was really short. should we read anything into that? >> reporter: well, it didn't take a long visit here, carol, to deliver the message she wanted to deliver, quite frankly. this was a very frank and candid meeting. for that, you can read it. her message was very simple as you heard there. a lot of money is pumped into pakistan by the united states. they are expecting more in return. now, what she effectively says here is to right this relationship, she wants to cpac stan commit more in the fight against the insurgency, particularly clamping down on the border area between afghanistan and pakistan, stopping the militants crossing that border to assist in the united states effort in afghanistan and all of that, of course, would help the u.s. draw down its troop level in afgha
that's up to pakistan. but, in solving its problems, pakistan should understand that anti-americanism and conspiracy theorys will not make problems disappear. >> cnn's stan grant is in islamabad. stan, secretary of state clinton's visit was really short. should we read anything into that? >> reporter: well, it didn't take a long visit here, carol, to deliver the message she wanted to deliver, quite frankly. this was a very frank and candid meeting. for that, you can read it. her...
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what could pakistan -- what should pakistan have done? >> well, i don't think that i would have looked at it from international law point of view or legalities or juris prudence points of view. it should have been pakistan forces. u.s. forces violated our sovereignty. and certainly it would have and my own people would have. therefore, any leader in pakistan allowing this is -- his own reputation is at stake. rightly so. therefore, i would have -- wouldn't have liked it. objected. but i would not have objected to the killing of osama bin laden, whether it was violation of any law or -- >> american administration to have informed you. >> yes. >> possibly included pakistani forces in the raid. is that what you are saying? >> no. i would have certainly insisted it be pakistan's special forces going to deal with it. >> here is the problem. you are president obama and know there has been a breakdown in trust between pakistan and america. high level. trust is not what it used to be. there are good reasons for that. you get intelligence of bin l
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nevertheless, caused a lot of outrage here in pakistan. the question why was the pakistani doctor helping the cia behind pakistani's authorities back? now the commission recommending he be charged with treason. another recommendation, brooke, by the commission coming down tonight is for the three wives of osama bin laden and his daughters to be free to go home. two of the wives from saudi arabia, one from yemen and commission saying they should be free to go home and questioned them and don't need them any longer. not clear if that will happen. it is not clear yet what washington thinks about this or if they have weighed in on this matter. >> okay, okay. recommendations, as you explained. one of the issues you mentioned commission wanted to find out how long bunl manage e osama bi managed to live there. did they find a an answer to that? >> reporter: well, that's one of the things they were charged with. based on the recommendations here, they didn't come up with any answers as to how bin laden managed to live in pakistan for so long. of c
nevertheless, caused a lot of outrage here in pakistan. the question why was the pakistani doctor helping the cia behind pakistani's authorities back? now the commission recommending he be charged with treason. another recommendation, brooke, by the commission coming down tonight is for the three wives of osama bin laden and his daughters to be free to go home. two of the wives from saudi arabia, one from yemen and commission saying they should be free to go home and questioned them and don't...
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when they're in pakistan or across the border. we were just in pakistan, we had a very detailed, very heart to heart brother to brother dialogue. and i sincerely hope very, very much that that dialogue will yield results for the good of all of us. >> you sound like you're getting soft on pakistan because you're going to have to live with them as american forces draw down. >> well, we have learned to do things that we can do, that we find affordable for us. >> let me ask you finally, mr. president, back to the central question. if american troops draw odown a the security conditions worsen, the afghan national army is not able to cheer and holear and ho taken security in parts of afrg, would you foe back to president obama and say -- and ask him to revisit the issue and perhaps reverse therawdown? >> i will not do that. it is the responsibility of the afghan people to protect their country and to provide security for the citizens of the country. and if you fail in fulfilling our most important responsibility with regard to our coun
when they're in pakistan or across the border. we were just in pakistan, we had a very detailed, very heart to heart brother to brother dialogue. and i sincerely hope very, very much that that dialogue will yield results for the good of all of us. >> you sound like you're getting soft on pakistan because you're going to have to live with them as american forces draw down. >> well, we have learned to do things that we can do, that we find affordable for us. >> let me ask you...
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and pakistan. a source says that osama bin laden considered seeking a deal with pakistan to protect him and senior al qaeda leaders. a source says so far no evidence surfaced indicating bin laden ever discussed that plan with pakistani officials. the information discovered from documents seized when bin laden was killed earlier this month. pakistan's ambassador to the u.s. had this reaction just a short while ago. >> you can think of many things of wanting to do them and so did osama bin laden. question is, did he raise it with anyone and the u.s. government clearly says that he did not. it was something that he an his associates were considering amongst themselves. if we knew something about it, we would have done something about it long ago. >> the issue of bin laden hiding out in pakistan was the backdrop to a brief visit there today by secretary of state hillary clinton and joint chiefs chairman admiral mike mullen. stan grant is in islamabad with the latest. >> reporter: frank and candid. that
and pakistan. a source says that osama bin laden considered seeking a deal with pakistan to protect him and senior al qaeda leaders. a source says so far no evidence surfaced indicating bin laden ever discussed that plan with pakistani officials. the information discovered from documents seized when bin laden was killed earlier this month. pakistan's ambassador to the u.s. had this reaction just a short while ago. >> you can think of many things of wanting to do them and so did osama bin...
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that includes pakistan. in the koran, god says to fight the infidels until they are finished, he says, not just the infidels but also their lackies. he says america and its allies have not been able to defeat the taliban in afghanistan, and he is determined to continue his reign of terror on his side of the border in pakistan. if all these countries together could not stand up to our guerrilla war in afghanistan, i am sure that pakistan, which is weak and lacking in technology, cannot defeat us, he says. since bin laden's death, the taliban has struck with lethal force. last week it launched a double suicide attack at this military base in northern pakistan more than 0 recruits were killed. there have been other attacks and shoot-outs since. pakistan's interior minister says pakistanis are paying in blood to defeat the taliban, and he rejects any claim the military is not up to the fight. >> we are not weak. they know it, but don't go by the statement after enemy. >> reporter: but the taliban does sense vuln
that includes pakistan. in the koran, god says to fight the infidels until they are finished, he says, not just the infidels but also their lackies. he says america and its allies have not been able to defeat the taliban in afghanistan, and he is determined to continue his reign of terror on his side of the border in pakistan. if all these countries together could not stand up to our guerrilla war in afghanistan, i am sure that pakistan, which is weak and lacking in technology, cannot defeat...
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that happens more in real life not just with pakistan. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with france. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with other allies, but there's a way in which the cia and isi both absolutely need each other, and absolutely don't trust each other, and it's been a particularly volatile combination, because they're always marching in tandem. imagine the situation where one guy is sort of tripping the other, nudging him or up to some kind of horseplay. that's what it's like and i used to think that these two should get a marriage counselor and figure it out. i've given up on that. the reality is intelligence services lie. that's what their job is. these guys will keep lying to each other. they need political control to get them going in the same direction for the national interest is of both countries and if they can do that, i'd have some hope the story will turn out acceptably. >> somebody you know well, general petraeus will move over from the military to head the cia. what would he bring
that happens more in real life not just with pakistan. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with france. we have a complicated intelligence relationship with other allies, but there's a way in which the cia and isi both absolutely need each other, and absolutely don't trust each other, and it's been a particularly volatile combination, because they're always marching in tandem. imagine the situation where one guy is sort of tripping the other, nudging him or up to some kind of...
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the taliban are in pakistan? >> well, i don't exactly know where al marra is. talking about a peace process with the taliban, whether they are in afghanistan or whether they are across the border. we were jug in pakistan a few days ago. we had a very big sense of -- very detailed, very heart to heart, brother to brother dialogue. and i sincerely hope very, very much that that dialogue will yield results for the good of all of us. >> you sound like you're getting soft on pakistan because you're going to have to live with them as american forces draw down. >> well, we have learned to do things that we can do, that we find affordable for us. >> let me ask you finally, mr. president, back to the central question. if american troops drawdown and the security conditions in afghanistan worsen, if the afghan national army is not able to clear and hold and to maintain security in parts of afghanistan, would you go back to president obama and say -- and ask him to revisit the issue and perhaps reverse the drawdown? >> i wi
the taliban are in pakistan? >> well, i don't exactly know where al marra is. talking about a peace process with the taliban, whether they are in afghanistan or whether they are across the border. we were jug in pakistan a few days ago. we had a very big sense of -- very detailed, very heart to heart, brother to brother dialogue. and i sincerely hope very, very much that that dialogue will yield results for the good of all of us. >> you sound like you're getting soft on pakistan...
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drone attack in pakistan. do you think we're deciding to take on more of this responsibility ourselves? not trusting the pakistanis to take out the militants? >> president obama has been ratcheting up the drone attacks for a long time. they've increased gee metically on his watch, but it's also true that some pakistanis were killed by terror groups in a part of the country that hasn't seen violence today. either way you look at this, e.d., we're in a downward spiral in terms of our relationship with the pakistanis. i think this going public with the cut in the military aid package is an expression of frustration that the private efforts have not succeeded. i would like to suggest that we need a game changer here. the pakistanis have been worried about india for years. that drives their policy in afghanistan and even in pakistan. i think if we could ratchet up efforts to convene a regional conference, peace conference, including china, russia, india and then the countries in the ren region, including iran, we h
drone attack in pakistan. do you think we're deciding to take on more of this responsibility ourselves? not trusting the pakistanis to take out the militants? >> president obama has been ratcheting up the drone attacks for a long time. they've increased gee metically on his watch, but it's also true that some pakistanis were killed by terror groups in a part of the country that hasn't seen violence today. either way you look at this, e.d., we're in a downward spiral in terms of our...
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but yes, of course. >> do you believe it's possible that pakistan, someone in pakistan, someone in the military and isi did not know? >> it's possible. you know, look, one thing that's important to realize about pakistan is that there are obviously very different currents going on within their society and institutions. but we should never forget 30,000 pakistanis have lost their lives in acts of terrorism, including 5,000 members of their security services. so i don't know, and nobody does. >> condoleezza rice referred to them during her time when she was in the white house as a full partner in the war on terror. you had praised president musharraf, as well. do you believe pakistan is still a full partner? >> i believe the people i was dealing with. the issue in pakistan is the same issue that you get everywhere, frankly. which is this battle between reforming modern open minded people versus the conservative, the very religious elements, who have sympathy with the ideology and the narrative of people like bin laden. so you've got this clash the whole time. sometimes when people say to
but yes, of course. >> do you believe it's possible that pakistan, someone in pakistan, someone in the military and isi did not know? >> it's possible. you know, look, one thing that's important to realize about pakistan is that there are obviously very different currents going on within their society and institutions. but we should never forget 30,000 pakistanis have lost their lives in acts of terrorism, including 5,000 members of their security services. so i don't know, and...
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and pakistan. so publicly you will get these messages that, yes, they're committed to renewing this relationship and trying to do more, but there is a private side as well. and with so much pressure from the public here who point to their own government and say why are we doing the bidding of the united states when it only causes more problems for us here, when we are the ones who actually suffer from these attacks, and you often find both the military and the government here playing to those anti-american fears. so once again, saying one thing on one hand to america but another thing to a domestic audience. >> okay, stan grant, thank you very much, stan. >>> here's your chance to "talk back." today we are asking, is it okay for a presidential candidate to avoid the media? carol costello here to explain if it's even possible. >> here's the premise. let me lay this by you. are we getting to the point where democratic candidates talk mostly to msnbc and republicans talk mostly to fox news? former rep
and pakistan. so publicly you will get these messages that, yes, they're committed to renewing this relationship and trying to do more, but there is a private side as well. and with so much pressure from the public here who point to their own government and say why are we doing the bidding of the united states when it only causes more problems for us here, when we are the ones who actually suffer from these attacks, and you often find both the military and the government here playing to those...
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you know, john kerry had one simple message to pakistan. he said, you need to decide what sort of country you're going to be, whether you're going to be a haven for terrorists. it's almost a moot question. pakistan is a haven for terrorists. osama bin laden was here. pakistan has hosted militant groups for decades now. it's part of the very fabric of the country. and at various times pakistan has either attacked or accommodated those groups depending on its circumstances and its capacity. what john kerry's looking for here, though, is support from pakistan to meet america's ends. and that is across the border into afghanistan. he wants pakistan to be able to disrupt the leadership of the militants here, to block off that border, to make america's efforts in afghanistan easier and eventually be able to draw down the troops. but anderson, it's so difficult because pakistan immediately after the osama bin laden raid, rather than look at what its own culpability may have been, was pointing the finger directly back at the united states, accusing
you know, john kerry had one simple message to pakistan. he said, you need to decide what sort of country you're going to be, whether you're going to be a haven for terrorists. it's almost a moot question. pakistan is a haven for terrorists. osama bin laden was here. pakistan has hosted militant groups for decades now. it's part of the very fabric of the country. and at various times pakistan has either attacked or accommodated those groups depending on its circumstances and its capacity. what...
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it's been a complicated relationship with pakistan. but the reality is that terrorism is as much a threat to pakistan as it is to the united states. as a matter of fact, they have lost thousands of people because of terror attacks in places like karachi and elsewhere. and they -- they understand the threat of terrorism. but they also can't pick and choose among terrorists. if you're against terrorism you've got to be against all terrorism. and that's where we have some differences. >> and let me just ask you about admiral mullen comments on the haqqani network and how the pakistani intelligence agency, the isi was supporting that network. obviously that network responsible for attacks on americans and coalition forces. sources have told cnn that this cooperation with terrorists could go all the way to the top of the isi. does it? >> well, i don't really -- i don't know that for a fact. what i do know is that, as we have made clear, the haqqanis have a safe haven in pakistan. and you can't have a safe haven. these are individuals who cr
it's been a complicated relationship with pakistan. but the reality is that terrorism is as much a threat to pakistan as it is to the united states. as a matter of fact, they have lost thousands of people because of terror attacks in places like karachi and elsewhere. and they -- they understand the threat of terrorism. but they also can't pick and choose among terrorists. if you're against terrorism you've got to be against all terrorism. and that's where we have some differences. >> and...
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there is also growing concern about pakistan. and whether al qaeda or the taliban could get hold of its nuclear weapons. chris lawrence is at the pentagon tonight. what's behind the growing concern and really, how real is the fear that terrorists will get their hands on those nuclear weapons? >> good news is all the analysts i talk to say right now it's unlikely that terrorists could get and seize a nuclear weapon in pakistan. bad news is all the trends are going the wrong way. pakistan by ten years from now will have as many nuclear war heads as the british have today. the country is becoming increasingly radicalized. since 2007, there have been about four attacks on likely nuclear weapon sites. just in may, the taliban, pakistani taliban stormed pakistani naval base. they killed ten troops there. they used rocket launchers. it's believed they have help from the inside. that is a big key because the taliban commander says they plan to hit nine more key sites. one of the analysts i spoke to said there is no way terrorists could g
there is also growing concern about pakistan. and whether al qaeda or the taliban could get hold of its nuclear weapons. chris lawrence is at the pentagon tonight. what's behind the growing concern and really, how real is the fear that terrorists will get their hands on those nuclear weapons? >> good news is all the analysts i talk to say right now it's unlikely that terrorists could get and seize a nuclear weapon in pakistan. bad news is all the trends are going the wrong way. pakistan...
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in the remote east of afghanistan near the mountainous border of pakistan. helicopters carrying dozens of elite army rangers race over the rugged landscape. their target is an insurgent compound. the mission is high risk. it's broad daylight. the insurgents are heavily armed, but it's considered a risk worth taking because intelligence indicates that a top al qaeda commander is in that compound. soon the helicopters touch down, and our rangers immediately come under fire. within minutes leroy, then a staff sergeant, and another soldier are pushing ahead into a courtyard surrounded by high mud walls. that's when the enemy opens up with their ak-47s. leroy is hit in both legs. he's bleeding badly, but he summons the strength to lead the other ranger to cover behind a chicken coop. he radios for support. he hurls a grenade at the enemy, giving cover to a third ranger who rushes to their aid. an enemy grenade explodes nearby, wounding leroy's two comrades. then a second grenade lands. this time only a few feet away. every human impulse would tell someone to turn
in the remote east of afghanistan near the mountainous border of pakistan. helicopters carrying dozens of elite army rangers race over the rugged landscape. their target is an insurgent compound. the mission is high risk. it's broad daylight. the insurgents are heavily armed, but it's considered a risk worth taking because intelligence indicates that a top al qaeda commander is in that compound. soon the helicopters touch down, and our rangers immediately come under fire. within minutes leroy,...
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. >>> then events in pakistan often seem like fiction. the wonderful journalist david ignatius has written a spy novel set in that country. how much of it is true? >>> next up, a look deep inside the psyche of the emerging global power, china. with the man who perhaps knows it best, dr. henry kissinger. >>> and finally, how does president obama go from heads and shoulders above chancellor merkel to just about even? we'll show you. >>> now, here's my take. those of you who watched the show last week know that i talked about the need to tackle america's unemployment crisis. 24 million americans unemployed or underemployed. well, i'm going to talk about this again because it really is the crucial problem underlying all others. president obama has proposed a number of specific policies to tackle the jobs crisis, but they have gone nowhere because republicans say that their top concern is the deficit and debt. well, those of you worried about the debt, i should say those of us because i would strongly include myself, let's please remember that
. >>> then events in pakistan often seem like fiction. the wonderful journalist david ignatius has written a spy novel set in that country. how much of it is true? >>> next up, a look deep inside the psyche of the emerging global power, china. with the man who perhaps knows it best, dr. henry kissinger. >>> and finally, how does president obama go from heads and shoulders above chancellor merkel to just about even? we'll show you. >>> now, here's my take....
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now pakistan and afghanistan, both places iran has been aggressive. they want to be a counterbalance. they want to be a counterweight to u.s. influence throughout the region. it is very, very concerning. it should be here in the u.s. as well as in the region. >> because given the enormous investment over a decade, in liberating first iraq and then afghanistan, you see president jalal talabani show up in tehran, the president of rauk. you see president karzai showing up there after all the u.s. has done for him and president zardari of pakistan going to tehran as well to give ahmadinejad this support, if you will, by their mere presence there. it must be so infuriating to top u.s. official. >> reporter: absolutely. it is not only infuriating, it is concerning for intelligence and national security officials who watch this very closely. make no mistake, when you see tensions between the u.s. and countries like pakistan and afghanistan and iraq, they use iran as a lever. they know it is a sore point with us. they know that it will increase our anxiety ab
now pakistan and afghanistan, both places iran has been aggressive. they want to be a counterbalance. they want to be a counterweight to u.s. influence throughout the region. it is very, very concerning. it should be here in the u.s. as well as in the region. >> because given the enormous investment over a decade, in liberating first iraq and then afghanistan, you see president jalal talabani show up in tehran, the president of rauk. you see president karzai showing up there after all the...
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and pakistan couldn't get more twisted, tangled, and complicated, we learn that the isi, pakistan's top spy agency has arrested several suspected informants for the cia. these are pakistani men who allegedly fed information to the cia before last month's big raid on the bin laden compound. this according to two security officials. it's not clear why they've been arrested, where they are, and what if anything they're being charged with. one of the men is reportedly an army major who allegedly wrote down license plates of vehicles going in and out of the compound, but one of our sources, a security official says, that's not true. that none of the men arrested is an army officer. security officials do tell us that some of the individuals in custody were staying at a safe house rented by the cia to serve as a lookout on to the bin laden compound. these arrests obviously raise some questions, again, about pakistan's top spy agency. why has the isi been arresting informants for the cia when they were supposed to be onboard with u.s. efforts to go after bin laden? you would think they would pr
and pakistan couldn't get more twisted, tangled, and complicated, we learn that the isi, pakistan's top spy agency has arrested several suspected informants for the cia. these are pakistani men who allegedly fed information to the cia before last month's big raid on the bin laden compound. this according to two security officials. it's not clear why they've been arrested, where they are, and what if anything they're being charged with. one of the men is reportedly an army major who allegedly...
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it's been a complicated relationship with pakistan. but the reality is that terrorism is a much -- is much a threat to pakistan as it is to the united states. as a matter of fact, they have lost thousands of people because of terror attacks in places like karachi and elsewhere. and they -- they understand the threat of terrorism. but they also can't pick and choose among terrorists. if you're against terrorism you've got to be against all terrorism. and that's where we have some differences. >> and let me just ask you about that -- mullen commenting on the haqqani metwork and how the pakistani intelligence agency the isi was supporting that network. obviously that network responsible for attacks on americans and coalition forces. sources have told cnn that this cooperation with terrorists could go all the way to the top of the isi. does it? >> well, i don't really -- i don't know that for a fact. what i do know is that, as we have made clear, the haqqanis have a safe haven in pakistan. and you can't have a safe haven. these are individ
it's been a complicated relationship with pakistan. but the reality is that terrorism is a much -- is much a threat to pakistan as it is to the united states. as a matter of fact, they have lost thousands of people because of terror attacks in places like karachi and elsewhere. and they -- they understand the threat of terrorism. but they also can't pick and choose among terrorists. if you're against terrorism you've got to be against all terrorism. and that's where we have some differences....
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there was a huge story in pakistan. it doesn't get that much attention in the united states because of the dramatic events were happening simultaneously. it was the story in pakistan for weeks. >> peter, clear the bin laden raid and more recent attacks by militants have been a big blow to pakistan's military. is this a way to reassert their power and save face in a way? >> that may well be motivation. as you say, suzanne, they were humiliated by the american action to seize bin laden, and helicopters not being picked up on pakistani radar, and that was humiliating for the pakistanis, and then there was an attack on a pakistani naval station in u karachi. and that was again, dem straighting sensitive military installations in pakistan may have been compromised by the taliban or related groups. so it has been a very bad month for the military. the general -- chief of army staff, you know, has -- i think it has been one of the worst times he has had. >> and real quick, peter s. there anything that needs to be done now to k
there was a huge story in pakistan. it doesn't get that much attention in the united states because of the dramatic events were happening simultaneously. it was the story in pakistan for weeks. >> peter, clear the bin laden raid and more recent attacks by militants have been a big blow to pakistan's military. is this a way to reassert their power and save face in a way? >> that may well be motivation. as you say, suzanne, they were humiliated by the american action to seize bin...
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part pressure to get pakistan to do more. part retaliation because pakist pakistan threw out a lot of army trainers after the u.s. killed osama bin laden. it's because they threw out these trainers they can't have this aid because you really comes as a package deal. u.s. personnel on the ground. you have to play, if you want us to pay, don. >> so, elise, how serious is this riff between afghanistan and islam bad? >> it's gradually decreasing. a lot for fit for tat and what is going to happen next now that the u.s. reduced this aid. what are the pakistanis going to do? the u.s. is already very concerned that it can't trust the pakistani military and the pakistani intelligence with the information they're giving them about the milmilitants. so, a big concern right now and you'll see a lot of the u.s. going it alone, such as these drone strikes. >> could this backfire and limit u.s. leverage over pakistan on counterterrorism cooperation? >> it certainly could, but things are pretty bad as they are. i think the calculation by u.s
part pressure to get pakistan to do more. part retaliation because pakist pakistan threw out a lot of army trainers after the u.s. killed osama bin laden. it's because they threw out these trainers they can't have this aid because you really comes as a package deal. u.s. personnel on the ground. you have to play, if you want us to pay, don. >> so, elise, how serious is this riff between afghanistan and islam bad? >> it's gradually decreasing. a lot for fit for tat and what is going...
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is withholding $800 million in military aid to pakistan. a major indication that the rift between the two countries is only growing. the u.s. and pakistan are allies but there are major trust issues between the two, especially after u.s. special forces found osama bin laden hiding snuggly inside pakistan. standing by live in pakistan, reza, how does this impact u.s./pakistani relations? >> reporter: i think this hurts a relationship that's already on shaky ground. for years we have heard a lot of rhetoric from both sides, finger pointing, accusations. this is more than rhetoric. i think things changed after the raid on the bin laden compound here in pakistan in may. this was viewed by many here in pakistan as an embarrassment for the country and the military. it was viewed as a violation of pakistan's sovereignty by people here. i think ever since then, both sides have made moves that substantially changed the complexion of this relationship. withholding $ 00 million of u.s. aid is significant. this is cash and military equipment. the messa
is withholding $800 million in military aid to pakistan. a major indication that the rift between the two countries is only growing. the u.s. and pakistan are allies but there are major trust issues between the two, especially after u.s. special forces found osama bin laden hiding snuggly inside pakistan. standing by live in pakistan, reza, how does this impact u.s./pakistani relations? >> reporter: i think this hurts a relationship that's already on shaky ground. for years we have heard...
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>> well, i think pakistan would like them to leave. remember they came from outside pakistan. there were three wives there. eight of bin laden's children were in the compound in abbottabad. they were taken into custody after the u.s. seals went in and took out bin laden. well, the same panel that recommended the doctor be charged with treason has also recommended to basically lift the restrictions on the family and say that they can now go. they've contacted saudi arabia and yemen where the wives were from and they are arranging repatriation. pakistan i think would like to be getting them out the door. >> they're not charged with anything, are they? >> no, they weren't charged with anything. not at all. charged with being married to osama bin laden. but -- then in a way, you've got to remember the pakistanis are miffed -- that's one word we could use -- that this happened on their -- under their noses. down the road from this big military base and then you've got u.s. apaches flying in and landing. >> it created quite a bit of tension too for the obama administration. >> thank
>> well, i think pakistan would like them to leave. remember they came from outside pakistan. there were three wives there. eight of bin laden's children were in the compound in abbottabad. they were taken into custody after the u.s. seals went in and took out bin laden. well, the same panel that recommended the doctor be charged with treason has also recommended to basically lift the restrictions on the family and say that they can now go. they've contacted saudi arabia and yemen where...
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davis is charged with killing two men while working in pakistan for the cia in january. he was released in march, after compensation was paid to their families. davis claimed he killed the men in self-definitely. >>> amanda knox could learn her fate on monday. her 2005 murder conviction could be overturned, making the 24-year-old american a free woman, or it may be upheld, leaving her facing a quarter century behind bars in italy. cnn's senior international correspondent, matthew chance, has more on judgment day for knox and her attempt to sway the court. >> reporter: well, this is likely to be the speech of amanda knox's life. for about 15 minutes, the 24-year-old from seattle will be able to stand up in this italian court in perugia and make an appeal to, in her own words, to the judge and the jury, to overturn her murder conviction and to set her free. knox's parents who are here in perugia tell us that their daughter has been working on what she's going to say for months. she's, of course, learned to speak italian fluently in her four years in prison here, so it's li
davis is charged with killing two men while working in pakistan for the cia in january. he was released in march, after compensation was paid to their families. davis claimed he killed the men in self-definitely. >>> amanda knox could learn her fate on monday. her 2005 murder conviction could be overturned, making the 24-year-old american a free woman, or it may be upheld, leaving her facing a quarter century behind bars in italy. cnn's senior international correspondent, matthew...
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on the other side of the break, gunfire in pakistan. we have a live report on the latest clash in a place where tensions are already high. paint the desert. witnessed snowfall on the first day of spring. ♪ but the most beautiful thing i've ever seen was the image on a screen that helped our doctor see my wife's cancer was treatable. [ male announcer ] ge technologies help doctors detect cancer early so they can save more lives. bringing better health to more people. ♪ >>> welcome back. this is "world one" live from london. >> we're coming up on 6:00 a.m. in new york, noon in berlin and 7:00 p.m. in tokyo. >>> we got word of a cross-border firefight in pakistan involving nato forces and the pakistani military. nato says it's still assessing the situation. pakistan's already been angered by unwant international military moves on its territory. stan grant is at cnn in islamabad. stan, what happened near the border there? >> reporter: yes, zain, we're piecing this together on the run here as you say. they're still waiting to confirm exa
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and pakistan. pakistan's top military spy agency has arrested five informants who helped the cia locate osama bin laden. among those taken into custody a major who reportedly wrote down license plate numbers of people who visited bin laden's compound and then turned them over to american intelligence officials. res res ressa seya, what are they saying ability these arrests? >> ali, pakistani security officials confirmed to cnn that the isi, pakistan's top spy agencies have arrested several suspected informants for the cia. these are pakistani men who allegedly help the cia, fed it information before the big raid on the bin laden compound last month. "the new york times" is reporting one of these individuals is an army major who, as you mentioned, was apparently writing down license plates of cars going in and out of the compound. one of our sources, a pakistani security official, flatly denies among the men arrested is an army officer. we also know that among the men arrested were men staying at a
and pakistan. pakistan's top military spy agency has arrested five informants who helped the cia locate osama bin laden. among those taken into custody a major who reportedly wrote down license plate numbers of people who visited bin laden's compound and then turned them over to american intelligence officials. res res ressa seya, what are they saying ability these arrests? >> ali, pakistani security officials confirmed to cnn that the isi, pakistan's top spy agencies have arrested...
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that pakistan was not happy with this unilateral action from washington, the u.s. forces watching the bin laden compound. many stru as a violation of the sovereignty and this arrest, another indication that pakistan still is unhappy, perhaps a way of sending a message to washington, and also a way of finding out how the cia managed to set up an elaborate intelligence network on the ground here in pakistan behind the government's back. suzanne? >> reza sayah, thank very much. >>> a government shutdown. 20,000 people now out of work. the standoff hits home for one family when both parents are laid off from their state jobs. >>> 20,000 workers in minnesota face another day off the job. the democratic governor and republican lawmakers are locked in a stalemate over the state's $5 billion budget deficit. as chris welsh spent an afternoon with the family caught in the middle of this budget standoff to find out how they're coping. >> it's hard. i miss my job, and i miss doing the work that i know is so important for minnesota. i work for the office of emergency preparedne
that pakistan was not happy with this unilateral action from washington, the u.s. forces watching the bin laden compound. many stru as a violation of the sovereignty and this arrest, another indication that pakistan still is unhappy, perhaps a way of sending a message to washington, and also a way of finding out how the cia managed to set up an elaborate intelligence network on the ground here in pakistan behind the government's back. suzanne? >> reza sayah, thank very much. >>>...
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it's been a key element in the war in afghanistan and iraq and over the tribal areas of pakistan. i think this is another intelligence catastrophe. >> the drones have really impacted the battlefield in pakistan and afghanistan and elsewhere. >> i think one forgets that terrorist organizations, you know, they're very small groups with leaders who are absolutely crucial. and what the drone is able to do is to exploit that disadvantage that terrorist organizations have. so you can target a few key people with a drone. and the drones have gotten increasingly accurate. you have enormous advantages because can you disrupt the entire organization. and that's really what the war against al qaeda has been a war against the senior leadership using drones. and so the drone is -- you can't underestimate the importance of it. and this is one of the unique weapons in america's arsenal. the chinese don't visit. the russians don't have it. to the best of our knowledge, nobody in the world has something like this. >> bob baer, fareed zakaria, thanks very much. >> well, one other note about iran, t
it's been a key element in the war in afghanistan and iraq and over the tribal areas of pakistan. i think this is another intelligence catastrophe. >> the drones have really impacted the battlefield in pakistan and afghanistan and elsewhere. >> i think one forgets that terrorist organizations, you know, they're very small groups with leaders who are absolutely crucial. and what the drone is able to do is to exploit that disadvantage that terrorist organizations have. so you can...
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it's been a key element and over the tribal areas of pakistan. i think this is another intelligence catastrophe. >> the drones have really impacted the battlefield in pakistan and afghanistan and elsewhere. >> i think one forgets that terrorist organizations, you know, they're very small groups with leaders who are absolutely crucial. and what the drone is able to do is to exploit that disadvantage that terrorist organizations have. so you can target a few key people with a drone. and the drones are gotten increasingly accurate. you have enormous advantages because can you disrupt the entire organization. and that's really what the war against al qaeda has been a war against the senior leadership using drones. and so the drone is -- you can't underestimate the importance of it. and this is one of the unique weapons in america's arsenal. the chinese don't visit. the russians don't have it. to the best of our knowledge, nobody in the world has something like this. >> bob bear, fareed zakaria, thanks very much. >> well, one other note about iran, th
it's been a key element and over the tribal areas of pakistan. i think this is another intelligence catastrophe. >> the drones have really impacted the battlefield in pakistan and afghanistan and elsewhere. >> i think one forgets that terrorist organizations, you know, they're very small groups with leaders who are absolutely crucial. and what the drone is able to do is to exploit that disadvantage that terrorist organizations have. so you can target a few key people with a drone....
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, and a lot of of them including the pakistan taliban were fostered by the isi, the pakistan intelligence services to become, i don't know, part of the bulwark against india, and they fostered many of the various groups and many of them islamic extremist groups which are now starting to turn against them in many ways and you are seeing it with the pakistan taliban as well. they have a creation and some support of the elements of the isi and doing things like this as well. it is like creating something that you think would work and it turns against you. >> from what you know, are they organized? >> yes, they are very organized. they have links with the taliban in afghanistan, but they don't fight in afghanistan their aim is to fight within pakistan and basically see the overthrow of the government as it exists now, and have afghanistan pre-9/11 government in pakistan, and we have talked about it before, and the nervous innocence the wenes about this, because the pakistan is not the most stable states, but you have in pakistan, a nuclear weapon and growing arsenal as well. it is a sense tha
, and a lot of of them including the pakistan taliban were fostered by the isi, the pakistan intelligence services to become, i don't know, part of the bulwark against india, and they fostered many of the various groups and many of them islamic extremist groups which are now starting to turn against them in many ways and you are seeing it with the pakistan taliban as well. they have a creation and some support of the elements of the isi and doing things like this as well. it is like creating...